I'm talking about the reality of how the word is used. The game writing is bad if it ignores the reality context of these words' origins.
Hoolay, as an example, his was obviously a target of vindictive punishment. Because as Jing Yuan and Lingsha say in their conversation, there were methods of executing him. But it wasn't done, because the Foxians (1) didn't want him to die so easily to satisfy them, and (2) they were looking for a cure to the moon rage from researching him
Yes, this is part of the balancing that needed to be done. People want vindictive satisfaction. That's the politics. Letting Foxians have their vengeance puts the rest of Xianzhou at risk, so the compromise is to lock Hoolay in a different ship's prison.
This in no way nullify the reasoning behind criminal punishment. The game isn't calling what's happening to Hoolay "追责" or "责罚". I don't think the writers are so shit they can't even separate torture from punishment.
heliobi, who's punishment for attempting to possess the population of the Xianzhou are getting all locked in a forge and forced to provide energy for the Zhuming, eternally
Life imprisonment with forced labor isn't torture... That's a pretty common sentence even in societies where rule of law is the norm.
I think Dan Heng words was just an outburst letting his feelings out
I agree that's what's happening. That's why it's frustrating, because this is Dan Heng's perspective. He's placing the blame on Taoran - beyond this single incarnation, but his reasoning stems from his own relationship with his past life. He's not drawing a distinction between what he went through versus what Taoran will go through if Taoran is forced to molt as punishment. And because he doesn't see a distinction, he expressed feelings of guilt for Dan Feng's crimes (because good people feel bad if they think they did a wrong).
A huge problem with the writing is that the story treats the two situations as morally different (even though the character doesn't). The writers clearly think that Taoran should still be held responsible for his crimes even after molting because of the memory potion. However, the writers also treat Dan Heng as a victim who has been wronged, despite also having been given the memory potion.
That inconsistentency is what's leading to this out of character dialogue. The writers are essentially subscribing to the ethical stance that whether something is right or wrong is dependant on who is doing the action rather than the content of the action.
If lying is bad, then a good person lying (with good intentions) should still be bad. Similarly, if Dan Heng shouldn't be held responsible for Dan Feng's crimes, then neither should Taoran's reincarnation. The writers are clearly unwilling to wite the story this way, because Taoran is a bad guy, he can't be allowed to get away "scot free", so they do this awkward thing where Dan Heng does the condemning. They want to have their political drama without delving into the gray morality that comes with political drama.
Dan Heng hasn't shown any signs of seeing himself as totally Dan Feng, continued. At most, he seems to have accepted some parts of his regained but incomplete memories of Dan Feng, and with it, some sense of duty and obligation to the Luofu.
Since Dan Heng said 你虽不是你，但你还会是你, that pretty clearly states Dan Heng believes Taoran post-molt remains Taoran due to the memory potion. By that reasoning, then Dan Heng have accepted he is also Dan Feng, because he got the same treatment.
Hence why the OP of the clip made the comment 景元，听我的，你现在就管他叫丹枫。Clearly the OP doesn't buy Dan Heng's reasoning either.
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I'm talking about the reality of how the word is used. The game writing is bad if it ignores the reality context of these words' origins.
Yes, this is part of the balancing that needed to be done. People want vindictive satisfaction. That's the politics. Letting Foxians have their vengeance puts the rest of Xianzhou at risk, so the compromise is to lock Hoolay in a different ship's prison.
This in no way nullify the reasoning behind criminal punishment. The game isn't calling what's happening to Hoolay "追责" or "责罚". I don't think the writers are so shit they can't even separate torture from punishment.
Life imprisonment with forced labor isn't torture... That's a pretty common sentence even in societies where rule of law is the norm.
I agree that's what's happening. That's why it's frustrating, because this is Dan Heng's perspective. He's placing the blame on Taoran - beyond this single incarnation, but his reasoning stems from his own relationship with his past life. He's not drawing a distinction between what he went through versus what Taoran will go through if Taoran is forced to molt as punishment. And because he doesn't see a distinction, he expressed feelings of guilt for Dan Feng's crimes (because good people feel bad if they think they did a wrong).
A huge problem with the writing is that the story treats the two situations as morally different (even though the character doesn't). The writers clearly think that Taoran should still be held responsible for his crimes even after molting because of the memory potion. However, the writers also treat Dan Heng as a victim who has been wronged, despite also having been given the memory potion.
That inconsistentency is what's leading to this out of character dialogue. The writers are essentially subscribing to the ethical stance that whether something is right or wrong is dependant on who is doing the action rather than the content of the action.
If lying is bad, then a good person lying (with good intentions) should still be bad. Similarly, if Dan Heng shouldn't be held responsible for Dan Feng's crimes, then neither should Taoran's reincarnation. The writers are clearly unwilling to wite the story this way, because Taoran is a bad guy, he can't be allowed to get away "scot free", so they do this awkward thing where Dan Heng does the condemning. They want to have their political drama without delving into the gray morality that comes with political drama.
Since Dan Heng said 你虽不是你，但你还会是你, that pretty clearly states Dan Heng believes Taoran post-molt remains Taoran due to the memory potion. By that reasoning, then Dan Heng have accepted he is also Dan Feng, because he got the same treatment.
Hence why the OP of the clip made the comment 景元，听我的，你现在就管他叫丹枫。Clearly the OP doesn't buy Dan Heng's reasoning either.