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Saw a clip from 2.5 patch
Dan Heng telling Taoran even after reincarnation he will still be the same person.
The fuck is miHoyo trying to do here?
Are they having trouble keeping their own lore straight or are they ret-conning? Is there some extra context that's missing? (I know that this is on context of the memory potion, which Dan Heng also experienced. But Dan Heng insists he is not the same person while claiming Taoran will remain the same, so which one is it you fucking tsundere? And no, individual variation in response to the treatment isn't enough to explain the difference, because Dan Heng is saying he's speaking from personal experience.)
I agree with the OP, Jing Yuan needs to call Dan Heng on his BS. Are you or are you not the same person?! (But this also feeds into the interpretation that Dan Heng is jealous of Dan Feng when it comes to friendship with Jing Yuan given how insistent he is about keeping the identities separated while also apparently internally accepting he's...the same? I swear miHoyo storytelling drives me up a wall.)
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Who becomes 龙尊 directly affects Vidyadhara governance. Two points:
Jing Yuan has been secretly interfering in the Vidyadhara internal politics wrt protecting Bailu.
Pointing out the impact of keeping IL alive on Vidyadhara governance is a persuasion chip he can use during negotiations.
He doesn't have direct control, but that doesn't mean he can't make use of it. He seems to have a pretty good grasp of each factions' main interests, and knowing what makes these guys tick will better help find terms that both sides are willing to agree on. He's smart enough to come up with a good argument for how IL preservation would be good/bad and thus why Preceptors/Ten Lords should agree to whatever terms.
The use here being that Preceptors want it, that's their motivation for wanting to keep Dan Feng alive. That's the starting point of the negotiation. Jing Yuan can't give them the info but he can give them a chance at getting the info out of Dan Feng. That chance is Jing Yuan's leverage to get concessions out of Preceptors for certain demands that Ten Lords inevitably will make.
Phantylia is merely the symptom of political fracturing happening in Luofu. Phantylia snuck into Luofu due to internal moles. These moles aren't one off dissidents but are an organized group of seditious force (at least that seems to be the implication). That means they have some kind of shared interest that's driving them to sell out Luofu's interests. So there's two potential interests on the line if Taoran dies:
The seditious faction becomes even more extreme, leading to greater calamity by helping even more hostile forces.
Calcifying the already existing tensions because the seditious group sees that capture means death and they've already committed treason, so they've got nothing to lose.
For any governing body, a deeply entrenched seditious faction that thinks they've got nothing to lose is going to result in a massacre of innocent people. You can't solve terrorism with military force.
So it's not about getting dirt, it's about weighing the potential drawbacks of trying to root out all of the corruption. I mean the reason corruption is so difficult to deal with in every existing political body is because the ruling class risks societal chaos if it's not handled with a deft touch.
I didn't say that he has control over Phantylia. He just needs to have political influence with seditious Vidyadhara who want to cooperate with hostile forces that want to destroy Luofu. That alone would cause enough damage. Having to play whack-a-mole tracking after traitors and spies while a hostile force wants to invade is a pretty big headache. If Taoran is willing to use his influence to get the seditious Vidyadhara to delay their backstabbing, it'll be a huge boon. It will at least buy the ruling powers time to work out another plan.
(The core of Luofu's problem isn't that multiple outside factions want to crush them. The core threat is that there is a growing faction of their own citizens who want those hostile forces to win. They are losing the battle from the inside. Going to war while there's a large seditious faction is political suicide.)
Taoran is obviously not working alone. Successfully sneaking an Emanator of Destruction into Luofu, helping Borisin to seep into Luofu's 六司 suggests there's a huge faction that's backing Taoran. That knowledge alone is worth bargaining.
Sure, that faction might betray Taoran because evil is gonna evil, but if Taoran can get them to back down momentarily or even spit out some names in exchange for a commuted sentence, how can anyone be sure that the powers that be won't take the deal? That would probably be the gist of Taoran's bargaining chip.
Furthermore, if Taoran is executed, who's to say that won't result in even more extremist terrorism from the seditious faction? If they've already aligned themselves with Destruction, what's stopping them from helping more hostile forces to sneak in and cause more deaths? Since there's no way the Cloud Knights can know who is part of the seditious faction, they can only respond to damage after the fact; while having Taoran's cooperation would allow them to take preventive measures.
These are all considerations that's gonna come up during trial.
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Sure, but Jing Yuan doesn't have any control over that. The inheritance is decided by the previous high elder via passing on of power. Dan Feng appointed Bailu because she inherited half of his power and he didn't want the position anymore for his reborn self. There were preceptors who disagreed and wanted Dan Heng to have the spot after rebirth, but there were plenty of others who agreed with accepting Bailu. But all of that is a matter of arguing Vidyadhara internal traditions, and not something Jing Yuan has influence on.
> Taoran is obviously not working alone.....That knowledge alone is worth bargaining.
Sure. Yes. But that's what I meant by dirt and secrets in my earlier comment.
> Furthermore, if Taoran is executed.....These are all considerations that's gonna come up during trial.
I find it really odd in this case that Taoran jumps immediately to trial and bargaining, but doesn't seem to worry about the possibility of *questioning*.
Like, when Jingliu showed up claiming to have had a hand in the stellaron crisis (which turned out to be a made up excuse in order to get an audience with the higher ups), Jing Yuan turned her over to the Yuque for questioning. So why doesn't he do the same thing here?
Is there some complicated legal clause or treaty stipulation that prevents the divination interrogation procedure from being used to Vidyadhara citizens? Seems awfully convenient.
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My point is he doesn't need direct influence. He just needs the knowledge of the issues and know how to make persuasive arguments using the facts. Knowing who wants what and then being able to convince them the deal will help them achieve that goal is the bargaining chip.
Like, I don't need to have the candy in hand to use the knowledge that the kid wants the candy to convince them to do something. Such as "Hey, you want candy right? Guess who has lots of candy? Mom. If you help me with this, I'll help you convince mom to give you candy." That kind of thing.
First, isn't the whole sending Jingliu to Yuque Jing Yuan's attempt to foil Jingliu's plot and it basically failed, since she got the audience she wanted.
Second, presumably the situation with Taoran is being treated to the same processing protocol as the Sedition, which is arrest by Cloud Knights then hand over to local Ten-Lords. I think Jingliu's situation is the one that's actually an exception to the usual proceedure, not Taoran's. I believe Luocha even cited an obscure law that they (Luocha and Jingliu) specifically violated so they'd get sent to questioning rather than the Ten-Lords. (Can't remember the specifics anymore and honestly not up for looking it up at the moment.)
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