Saw a clip from 2.5 patch

[cashew]

Dan Heng telling Taoran even after reincarnation he will still be the same person.

The fuck is miHoyo trying to do here?

Are they having trouble keeping their own lore straight or are they ret-conning? Is there some extra context that's missing? (I know that this is on context of the memory potion, which Dan Heng also experienced. But Dan Heng insists he is not the same person while claiming Taoran will remain the same, so which one is it you fucking tsundere? And no, individual variation in response to the treatment isn't enough to explain the difference, because Dan Heng is saying he's speaking from personal experience.)

I agree with the OP, Jing Yuan needs to call Dan Heng on his BS. Are you or are you not the same person?! (But this also feeds into the interpretation that Dan Heng is jealous of Dan Feng when it comes to friendship with Jing Yuan given how insistent he is about keeping the identities separated while also apparently internally accepting he's...the same? I swear miHoyo storytelling drives me up a wall.)

Comments

[tanithryudo]

> Who becomes 龙尊 directly affects Vidyadhara governance.

Sure, but Jing Yuan doesn't have any control over that. The inheritance is decided by the previous high elder via passing on of power. Dan Feng appointed Bailu because she inherited half of his power and he didn't want the position anymore for his reborn self. There were preceptors who disagreed and wanted Dan Heng to have the spot after rebirth, but there were plenty of others who agreed with accepting Bailu. But all of that is a matter of arguing Vidyadhara internal traditions, and not something Jing Yuan has influence on.

> Taoran is obviously not working alone.....That knowledge alone is worth bargaining.

Sure. Yes. But that's what I meant by dirt and secrets in my earlier comment.

> Furthermore, if Taoran is executed.....These are all considerations that's gonna come up during trial.

I find it really odd in this case that Taoran jumps immediately to trial and bargaining, but doesn't seem to worry about the possibility of *questioning*.

Like, when Jingliu showed up claiming to have had a hand in the stellaron crisis (which turned out to be a made up excuse in order to get an audience with the higher ups), Jing Yuan turned her over to the Yuque for questioning. So why doesn't he do the same thing here?

Is there some complicated legal clause or treaty stipulation that prevents the divination interrogation procedure from being used to Vidyadhara citizens? Seems awfully convenient.

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not something Jing Yuan has influence on

My point is he doesn't need direct influence. He just needs the knowledge of the issues and know how to make persuasive arguments using the facts. Knowing who wants what and then being able to convince them the deal will help them achieve that goal is the bargaining chip.

Like, I don't need to have the candy in hand to use the knowledge that the kid wants the candy to convince them to do something. Such as "Hey, you want candy right? Guess who has lots of candy? Mom. If you help me with this, I'll help you convince mom to give you candy." That kind of thing.

when Jingliu showed up claiming to have had a hand in the stellaron crisis (which turned out to be a made up excuse in order to get an audience with the higher ups), Jing Yuan turned her over to the Yuque for questioning. So why doesn't he do the same thing here?

First, isn't the whole sending Jingliu to Yuque Jing Yuan's attempt to foil Jingliu's plot and it basically failed, since she got the audience she wanted.

Second, presumably the situation with Taoran is being treated to the same processing protocol as the Sedition, which is arrest by Cloud Knights then hand over to local Ten-Lords. I think Jingliu's situation is the one that's actually an exception to the usual proceedure, not Taoran's. I believe Luocha even cited an obscure law that they (Luocha and Jingliu) specifically violated so they'd get sent to questioning rather than the Ten-Lords. (Can't remember the specifics anymore and honestly not up for looking it up at the moment.)

[tanithryudo]

Jingliu wanted to be sent to another ship, actually. I forget which. Jing Yuan sent her to Yuque. Though, it doesn't matter too much, since either ship would get her into more contact with other generals/leaders.