It's a dual concept. There's holding oneself responsible and being held responsible. When the latter is lacking, then the former steps in.
In the case with Taoran, since he's trying to wiggle out of having to pay (aka responsibility/guilt), Dan Feng's point is he'll make sure Taoran regrets his actions. How he plans to do that...well, torture is clearly still an option in the Xianzhou criminal punishment system.
he still thinks he's right to have done all that he had. So of course he wouldn't feel guilty about it
Yes...which is why Dan Heng is saying he will make Taoran regret. Maybe guilt is a poor word to use here. Regret is the aim.
It would make much more sense if Dan Heng is referring here to an objective "responsibility" for crimes committed, rather than the subjective "guilt".
I can only say in no way does 责 refer to an objective concept. It's emotional. I will conceded the better word here is regret. Dan Heng regrets his crime and he's promising Taoran he will make sure Taoran regrets just as much.
So...you're saying he needs to be re-cast into a edgy woe is me I must cut myself Blade 2.0 character?
No because I don't think Dan Heng should've been expressing belief about being responsible for Dan Feng's crimes in the first place.
But if the writers are going to put those words in his mouth, then his actions don't fit. Which goes back to my issue with the writing, because this ignores the character.
But simultaneously, it is possible to make a self-flagellating character without being all "woe-is-me". As I mentioned, having Dan Heng offer to sit in prison some more and then have Jing Yuan telling him he'll be more useful as an Express member would circumvent the problem. That scenario would have made being on the Express an actual punishment, instead of a reward for self actualization (which is how it is portrayed).
And also, Dan Heng is already an edgy emo woe-is-me boy. He's just not psychotic like Blade. The entire Ichor of Two Dragons PV is him being edgy emo woe-is-me. The entire DHIL reveal is edgy emo. Dan Heng shows plenty of self pity. What I'm not seeing is self blame and genuine regret. (Again, I don't think that ought to be the direction for the character, but those are the words coming out of his mouth.)
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Date: 2024-09-11 18:00 (UTC)It's a dual concept. There's holding oneself responsible and being held responsible. When the latter is lacking, then the former steps in.
In the case with Taoran, since he's trying to wiggle out of having to pay (aka responsibility/guilt), Dan Feng's point is he'll make sure Taoran regrets his actions. How he plans to do that...well, torture is clearly still an option in the Xianzhou criminal punishment system.
Yes...which is why Dan Heng is saying he will make Taoran regret. Maybe guilt is a poor word to use here. Regret is the aim.
I can only say in no way does 责 refer to an objective concept. It's emotional. I will conceded the better word here is regret. Dan Heng regrets his crime and he's promising Taoran he will make sure Taoran regrets just as much.
No because I don't think Dan Heng should've been expressing belief about being responsible for Dan Feng's crimes in the first place.
But if the writers are going to put those words in his mouth, then his actions don't fit. Which goes back to my issue with the writing, because this ignores the character.
But simultaneously, it is possible to make a self-flagellating character without being all "woe-is-me". As I mentioned, having Dan Heng offer to sit in prison some more and then have Jing Yuan telling him he'll be more useful as an Express member would circumvent the problem. That scenario would have made being on the Express an actual punishment, instead of a reward for self actualization (which is how it is portrayed).
And also, Dan Heng is already an edgy emo woe-is-me boy. He's just not psychotic like Blade. The entire Ichor of Two Dragons PV is him being edgy emo woe-is-me. The entire DHIL reveal is edgy emo. Dan Heng shows plenty of self pity. What I'm not seeing is self blame and genuine regret. (Again, I don't think that ought to be the direction for the character, but those are the words coming out of his mouth.)